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  WT SOCIETY IS WRONG ON BLOOD

  by Vinny in

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  still not sure the jw's are wrong on blood?.

  still not sure the jw's are wrong on blood?

  still not sure the jw's are wrong on blood?

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  Doubting Bro

  Missed this the first time. Good research. I'm bookmarking.
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  No CO's - Is It True?

  by aniron in

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  i've just heard that they are going to do away with circuit overseers.. is this true or just a rumour?.

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  Doubting Bro

  Nvr,

  Perhaps they're handpicking the most loyal of the local elders by means of the seminars that are they're attending at the WEC to see who qualifies for the job?

  I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense. I would assume that the "super elder" would likely already be the PO of his own congregation. The problem I see is that noone would be able to check the "super elder". Perhaps they leave the DO arrangement in place which allows them to supervise the regional elder but be one step removed from the congo? Brilliant.

  Seeker4 - I too am skeptical. From a liability standpoint, it makes sense to get rid of the full time employed COs since they are the greatest tie from the WTS to the local congregations. But, part of me doesn't believe it because I find it hard to think that the WTS is willing to give up that kind of control. Plus, from a local BOE & r&f point of view, this would be a big negative. Having dealt with some a-hole COs before, the only thing that got me through was remembering that they would be gone in 3 years. Big shot local elders, at least the ones I know, tend to be even bigger a-holes and once they get that sort of power, there is know way they will leave the area.

  If the WTS thinks the congreations have problems now, just wait until they don't have an employee checking in on these BOEs. Yikes.
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  Aug 15-08 Study WT - More evil apostates!

  by still_in74 in

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  2. beliefs

  well i just got the aug 15 study edition.

  i flipped through it for about 10 seconds and found the word apostate.

  big surprise.

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  Doubting Bro

  Couple of points:

  1) This is the drama from either last year or the year before (sorry, they all blend in together after a while!)

  2) Does anyone notice the irony of the "golden calf being set up in BETHEL"?? All sorts of things you can say about that one!
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  She made it!!!

  by momzcrazy in

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  join me in welcoming az something (sorry too many numbers) !!!!!.

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  momzcrazy.

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  Doubting Bro

  AZ, yours is a powerful story. Welcome and we look forward to hearing more from you.
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  Congratulations Awakened @ Gilead!!!!

  by oompa in

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  graduating from college right next to bethel........and a gilead grad......too much.........and did you guys know he is the valedictorian.....like top score there.........awesome!.............inspirational!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  but you may want to slow down a bit dammit.............oompa.

  you are now a serious pain in the ass for wt.........college and bailing on your gilead skills......hope that does not need two l's bthw.

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  Doubting Bro

  Congrats A@G! It's never too late to do something productive. I hope to be joining you shortly among the college grads.
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  Why I will NEVER be an elder again

  by stillajwexelder in

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  so the po confirmed what many on this board already know.

  at latest round of co to elders meeting, the co quoted from the society outline.

  any elder or ms who encourages college for his kids or others or who allows his children to go to college will no longer qualify.. he then asked if i was going to take the cos encouragement and reach out again to be an elder and get my hours on the ministry up.. i replied "i will never be an elder again - i strongly approve of further education and college and have been through college myself.

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  Doubting Bro

  It was just a matter of time before this happened. Actually, I'm surprised they waited this long. The recent crackdown on "higher education" has been going on for what about 4 years? Maybe that was the grace period for serving elders/ms to allow them to graduate.

  This actually explains the tirade the WT conductor went on Sunday when the paragraph bashing college was read. He was very adamant about it being WRONG to promote or allow your kids to go to college. His comments were much strong than the propaganda information in the WT and we had a CO visit only a few weeks before.

  I guess that does it for me since I'm currently working on a Bachelor's degree (that I started while still an elder).
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  Why we must obey the F&DS - according to this "brother"

  by bud2114 in

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  some may have seen this tid-bit being passed around in certain jw email circles.

  a "deeply concerned" jw relative (who knows i have soured on the whole jw thing) emailed this to me in hopes that it would improve my attitude.

  at first i was just going to thank them for their concern and for the "encourgaging" email, but then i decided i must respond to this.

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  Doubting Bro

  Bud,

  I think that's one of the best reply's to this line of "reasoning" I've ever seen. Hope you don't mind me stealing it!!
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-01-08 WT Study (VALUELESS)

  by blondie in

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  repudiate "valueless things" .

  does this mean that secular work done as to jehovah is part of our sacred service?.

  may we always repudiate valueless words and cling to valuable words of truth.. ot example--moses.

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  Doubting Bro

  At the meeting I attended, the PT speaker went about 10 min over (guess he didn't get the memo about the PT being reduced from 45 to 30 min) and they spent so much time bashing "higher education" that by the time they got to the "don't listen to anything negative" portion, time was running out.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-01-08 WT Study (VALUELESS)

  by blondie in

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  repudiate "valueless things" .

  does this mean that secular work done as to jehovah is part of our sacred service?.

  may we always repudiate valueless words and cling to valuable words of truth.. ot example--moses.

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  Doubting Bro

  This one really got to me. What a piece of cult propaganda!

  8.Similarly, money has its place. We need it just to survive, and we can use it well in Jehovah's service. (Eccl. 7:12; Luke 16:9) But if we place the pursuit of money ahead of our Christian service, money becomes, in effect, a god to us.

  In other words, give your money to the WTS but to do anything else would be to view it as a god. Jehovah’s service, Christian service = supporting the WTS. What about this scripture? James 1:27 (NIV) 27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

  10. What, though, of higher education, received in a college or a university! This is widely viewed as vital to success. Yet, many who pursue such education end up with their minds filled with harmful propaganda. Such education wastes valuable youthful years that could best be used in Jehovah's service.

  Insane. As a current student (business major), I am insulted that my business courses are being labeled propaganda. While I agree that some professors may have an agenda to push their ideas (Cal-Berkley professors comes to mind), isn’t it propaganda to paint a whole profession with such a broad brush?? Please, I listened to these idiots when I was a kid and didn’t go to college when I had the chance which is why I’m doing it now. The conductor actually went further to say that not only was going to a 4 year university not recommended, it was WRONG and intimated that you could not serve in a position of responsibility if you encouraged ANYONE to go.

  12. Some may literally have overindulged in food or drink to the point of gluttony or drunkenness. (Prov. 23:20, 21; compare Deuteronomy 21:18-21.)

  Read Deut 21. These two sins were punishable by the DEATH PENALTY. Even my JW wife was thinking “why would Jehovah kill someone because they had that kind of weakness. Doesn’t he understand that people that overeat and overdrink usually have something that is pushing them to that point?” I honestly didn’t have much of an answer for that one.

  14. Those false prophets claimed to speak in Jehovah's name, but they were promoting their own ideas, their own wisdom. Thus, their words were "a valueless thing." They were worthless and posed a real spiritual threat.

  I’ll hand it to them, it takes balls to write that! Hello, you guys are the very definition of a false prophet.

  17 Another example of valueless words is found among the religious leaders of Christendom. These claim to speak in God's name, but most of their utterances are not based on the Scriptures, and what they say is basically worthless. Apostates too speak valueless words, claiming to have greater wisdom than the appointed "faithful and discreet slave."

  Again with the name calling. Propaganda includes making sweeping, generalized statements about others. What utterances specifically are not based on the scriptures and how many utterances has the WTS made that are also not based on the scriptures?

  18, lf any statements come to our ears that are critical of the truth or that cast aspersions on the congregation, the elders, or any of our brothers, we do not accept them at face value. Rather, we ask: "Is the one spreading this story acting in harmony with what the Bible says? Do these stories or allegations further Jehovah’s purpose? Do they promote the peace of the congregation?" Anything we hear that tears down the brotherhood rather than builds it up is a worthless thing.-

  First, 1 John seems to be talking about doctrine, not about “stories or allegations” The conductor mentioned slander. Do you know what the legal defense for slander is?? TRUTH. The most important defense to an action for defamation is "truth", which is an absolute defense to an action for defamation. http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html
  So, the only question we should ask when presented “stories or allegations” regarding ANYTHING is “Is this allegation true?” Isn’t that the only thing that matters? Apparently, all the stories we hear about the WTS are true since they are not denying them!
  

  19. Elders do not go beyond the things that are written in the Bible. And by extension, they do not go beyond the Bible-based counsel written in the publications of the faithful and discreet slave.

  Outright blasphemy if you believe in the Bible. And, spending almost a decade as an elder, I know that they most certainly do “go beyond the things written in the Bible” since the Bible is not the main book consulted (the Flock book and the binder with the letters to the BOE are).
  I don’t know why this study pissed me off so badly, but I appreciate all the comments. Thanks for doing this Blondie.
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  Spirit medium/KIT/John S. Thompson/--by request!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  spirit medium/kit/john s. thompson-by request!.

  request from researcher:.

  a favor please!

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  Doubting Bro

  Marking this for later. Great stuff Atlantis! Thanks